0:00 Patrick & Rachel Clancy on 60 Minutes
2:49 Breaking Down Patrick Clancy’s Interview
4:54 Patrick Gets Emotional About Callan
7:34 Why Patrick Says He Forgave Lindsay
9:34 Patrick’s Panic Attack During the Trial
10:30 Rachel Clancy & What 60 Minutes Cut
12:49 What 60 Minutes Left Out
16:18 Stan Walters Analyzes Patrick Clancy
21:44 Stan on Rachel Clancy’s Interview
23:44 Viewer Reaction to the 60 Minutes Interview
27:23 Amy Griffin & The Tell — The New Article
28:42 “Was Amy Griffin Telling the Truth?”
32:30 The “Real Claudia” Question
34:11 Amy Griffin’s Changing Account of Her Memories
38:38 Dial Press & the MDMA Revelations
40:30 New Details From the “Real Claudia”
42:17 Coach Barb Bixler Speaks Out
43:25 Could There Have Been Two Perpetrators?
45:29 The New “Allie” Revelation
50:49 Why Amy Griffin’s Famous Supporters Are Silent
51:19 Will Amy Sue The New York Times?
54:50 The Tell Paperback Put on Hold
55:31 Joleene Altum’s Corroborating Declarations
56:03 What New York Magazine Left Out
57:01 Jolene, “Claudia” & the Dominique Price Question
58:10 Where the Amy Griffin Case Stands Now
Patrick Clancy Speaks — Plus Amy Griffin Breaks Her Silence
Patrick Clancy and his new wife Rachel sat down with 60 Minutes for one of the most anticipated interviews since the Lindsay Clancy trial — but did it answer the questions people have been asking?
Billy Bush breaks down the interview, including Patrick’s emotional account of losing Cora, Dawson and Callan, why he says he forgave Lindsay, the panic attack he suffered during the trial, his decision to rebuild his life in New York, and his relationship with Rachel. Billy also examines what 60 Minutes left out — including questions surrounding Patrick and Rachel’s relationship, his current relationship with Lindsay, and other issues that have fueled intense discussion online.
Then Stan Walters, an expert in investigative interviewing and creator of the Cognitive Reliability Framework, joins Billy to analyze Patrick’s interview, his demeanor and the reliability of the statements he made to 60 Minutes.
PLUS: AMY GRIFFIN AND THE TELL
Amy Griffin is speaking out in a major new New York Magazine story asking the question at the center of the controversy surrounding her bestselling memoir: “Was Amy Griffin Telling the Truth?”
Billy goes deep on the new reporting and what Griffin now says about the memories behind The Tell. That includes her description of what she remembered before undergoing MDMA-assisted therapy, how she says MDMA helped connect those memories to the teacher she accuses of abusing her, and how those statements compare with the account presented in her memoir.
There are also new details involving the woman Griffin identifies as the “real Claudia,” Griffin’s former volleyball coach, another former classmate identified as “Allie,” and the continuing dispute with Joleene Altum, who has alleged that portions of Griffin’s memoir describe events that happened to her.
Billy examines what the New York Magazine story reports, what it leaves unanswered, and the declarations Altum says support her account.
With litigation still unfolding and discovery in its early stages, the fight over The Tell is far from over. The allegations and competing accounts discussed in this episode remain disputed.
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